Pardon the Mess Podcast (Ep. 2.8): Mary Beth Chapman & Emily Chapman Richards: Parenting, Loss, and Loving the Lord

Today we get a word from New York Times best-selling author Mary Beth Chapman. Mary Beth is married to Steven Curtis Chapman and mom to their six children: Emily, Caleb, Will Franklin, Shaoey, Stevey Joy, and Maria.

As a double bonus, we also have Emily Chapman Richards, the oldest of the Chapman clan and executive director of, which cares for orphans by engaging the church and reducing barriers to adoption.

Mary Beth and Emily candidly talk about some of the parenting nonnegotiables they have adopted in their families, while also reminding us to let go of the way we think things are “supposed” to look.

With authenticity, Mary Beth discusses the hard places in her marriage and the struggle of depression. She also encourages us to take it all to the Lord (and the professionals—ha!).

We talk about Mary Beth’s book, Choosing to See, and the heartbreaking loss of their daughter, Maria. Their family remains resolute with a testimony of faith in a God who finishes what he starts, even when we may not like how it looks here on earth.

Links from this podcast include:

Show Hope

Choosing to See by Mary Beth Chapman

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