Living Wholehearted

April 05, 2022

Ep. 125 : The Pitfalls That Take Down Pastors with Dr. Michael MacKenzie

Living Wholehearted cares deeply for leaders because we know when a leader lives and leads with integrity, everyone in their wake benefits. When they don’t, everyone in their wake pays. It’s just a matter of time. The news headlines continue to be filled with stories of leaders who waited too long to do their own inner life work and we think it’s time to reverse the trend. In episode 125, Jeff talks with a kindred leader working in similar trenches. Dr. Michael MacKenzie is the Executive Director of Marble Retreat, an intensive counseling center for Christian leaders, and the supervisor of the Doctorate of Ministry Pastor Care track at Lincoln Christian University. Dr. MacKenzie has been a licensed professional counselor for 25 years, specializing in caring for pastors. He has also been a chaplain and ordained pastor himself.  As an author, speaker and teacher on ministry and counseling issues in various settings, this conversation will be relevant to our listeners on many levels. Michael recently published a book, Don’t Blow Up Your Ministry: Defuse the Underlying Issues That Take Pastors Down, addressing the common pitfalls pastors face, how to avoid them, and how to find healing and recovery after a fall. Read More

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About Living Wholehearted

We define a leader as anyone with a following. Whether you are a parent or a CEO, or both, how you lead matters. When a leader lives with integrity, everyone in their wake benefits. And when they don't, everyone in their wake pays, it's just a matter of time. We are a husband and wife team HELPING LEADERS of all types LIVE WITH INTEGRITY through Biblical, Clinical, and Relational Wisdom. The Living Wholehearted Podcast is filled with grace, hope, and practical tools to help you in every relationship that matters most to you in your home, work, and community. Become a leader who is shrinking their integrity gap between what you say and how you actually live. Join us in the movement of becoming a Wholehearted Leader!

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About Jeff and Terra Mattson

Jeff Mattson (MA ORL) and Terra Mattson (MA LPC, LMFT) are Christian Parenting spokespeople and the co-hosts of the Living Wholehearted Podcast in the Christian Parenting Podcast Network.


After two decades studying and working in leadership and trauma-informed therapy, Jeff and Terra are bridging the gap between Biblical, clinical, and relational wisdom to help leaders live with integrity in the home, work, and community.


They are the co-founders of Living Wholehearted, a professional counseling and organizational development firm. Terra is the author of Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace and together they co-authored Shrinking the Integrity Gap: Between what Leaders Preach and Live. Jeff and Terra have skin in the game as they raise their two daughters just outside Portland, OR on five acres of old growth woods. There is never a dull moment in the Mattson home!

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